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  • Hi! I'm messaging you because in the last few days, I've been checking the contestants' ages in every season to correct any mistakes I could find, and I found out there were a lot of them, especially in the 20s.

    My understanding of the consensus on the ages is that you always take how old they were during filming (since you recently changed Kathy's age in Marquesas to 46 instead of 47). So that sould leave no ambiguity for contestants who had their birthday outside of filming dates.

    The problem is for contestants that had their birthday within filming dates. One of the options would be to take everyone's age either on the first day or last day of filming. The cons of that method is a contestant's age could be a month off if an endgamer has their birthday in the first days of filming, or if an early boot has their birthday on the last days of filming.

    Ultimately, the method I've used when checking everyone's age was to take their age on the last day they were in the game, as I thought it was the fairest method of representing everyone's age. The hypothetical issue with this method would be that two people having the exact same age would be listed under different ages should they have their birthday during filming, and one is an early boot and the other an endgamer. But fortunately, Natalie and Nadiya did not have their birthday during filming, and the probability of a problematic case happening is lower than with the other method.

    I thought that this method was the consensus, and I've made a spreadsheet of every contestant's age using this method and was I about to ask for the green light to correct every wrong age on the wiki, until I saw your edit today of Tijuana's age in Pearl Islands. She turned 27 the day after her elimination, so under this method she would be listed as 26. Now I'm a bit confused about what the consensus actually is for contestants who have their birthday during filming, so I want to ask you (or any other admin that reads this) what the wiki's policy is regarding the contestants' ages, so I can edit my spreadsheet if necessary.

    Here is my spreadsheet as it is now: https://i.imgur.com/OCSNEmr.png

    I've highlighted the contesants whose age on the wiki is wrong according to my method. In RED, the contestants who had their birthday outside of filming dates, so their age on the wiki is wrong regardless of the method used. In BLUE, the contestants who had their birthday during filming, and whose age on the wiki is wrong according to the method I've used, but could be correct if using a different method.

    Though, I've only highlighted the ones that are wrong according to my method, so if this method is incorrect according to the wiki's policy on ages, then some of the ages that are listed as correct on the spreadsheet could turn out to be wrong, so I'd have to check again.

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    • Hi, thank you for this. You obviously put in a lot of work.

      This new policy came about due to the then-impending release of the Island of the Idols cast in early September, as well as an observation by some admins that some contestants have inconsistencies with their ages (i.e., some follow filming date, others follow air date). To standardize contestants' ages, the admins came up with the following consensus:

      1.) We follow contestants' filming ages.

      2.) If a contestant's birthday occurs during filming, then we follow the age they turned to while filming occurred.

      3.) We do not edit official profiles for posterity's sake. However, in all other instances where age is referred to on this wiki, we follow the filming age. (ex., Molly Byman this season has her age as 27 in her profile, but it was discovered on her social media accounts that she was actually 28 at the time of filming. We retain her age as stated in her profile, but she is listed as being 28 elsewhere)

      As I was the one who brought this up with my fellow admins, I was given the go-ahead to push through with the changes. Other than the three above stated rules, I was given leeway to work out some kinks that I may encounter while implementing the changes. Thus far, I have only added one other rule:

      4.) Following rule #2, we go with a contestant's age during filming (defined as being from when the cameras start rolling during the marooning on Day 1, until the conclusion of the Final Tribal Council on Day 39/42). That particular definition is important here since it is entirely possible that a contestant may have still been present during filming, but not in the game anymore (i.e., they were on the jury at the time of their birthday, such as Tijuana in Pearl Islands). If they were eliminated from the game pre-jury, and thus not present during filming anymore even though their birthday occurred sometime between their elimination and the Final Tribal Council, then we go with their lower age.

      Generally, in determining a contestant's age, I follow two things:

      a.) the contestant's birthday, as stated on their wiki profile (this of course can be wrong, so we would have to change it if we get a new date for their birthday)

      b.) the filming calendar for every season, as posted by Jeff Pitman on his website, truedorktimes

      Due to my personal schedule, the only seasons I have been able to go over thus far are Borneo to Pearl Islands, Kaôh Rōng, and Edge of Extinction. It is of course entirely possible that I may have made some mistakes, so you're more than welcome to help me out in correcting them, as well as going over the remaining seasons.

      For Island of the Idols, I have taken note that of the following:

      -Dean turned 29 on Day 23 of filming, so we have to change his age if he reaches that point

      -Tom turned 61 on Day 26 of filming, so we have to change his age if he reaches that point

      -we have to verify Vince's age once we get his real birthday

      Hope this clarifies things a bit more! :)

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    • Thank you for your answer! About True Dork Times' filming calendar, do we take it over the dates that are currently on the wiki? I'm saying this because for Palau, the wiki says the last day of filming was December 4, while True Dork Times says it's December 9. And that's a bit problematic because Stephenie's birthday is December 6. There's also Edge of Extinction, with the wiki saying it ended on July 8 (Reem's birthday), while True Dork Times says it ended the day before. Should we edit the wiki's filming dates with the ones from True Dork Times or is there another source?

      Anyway, with the correct rules in mind, I've double-checked everything used the True Dork Times dates like you said, so minus the possible confusion with Stephenie in Palau and Reem in Edge of Extinction, everything should be good. Here is what should be the definite spreadsheet of every players' age: https://i.imgur.com/QGpUKtI.png The ages that are currently wrong on the wiki are highlighted in red.

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    • Yes, I do believe we follow the truedorktimes calendar, and that any mistakes about the dates are on this wiki. With that in mind, I say go ahead and implement the changes. I'd really appreciate the help. I can double check once I find the time since I'll be going over every season anyway. :)

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  • Didn't realize the summary of players' games don't get written right away.  But could we at least consider what I wrote when it does come time to post it?

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    • That's fair.  I had a feeling that what I wrote was too wordy, and funny enough I was actually about to go in and chop it down to size before I realized it had been deleted entirely.  Sorry about that last part, too.  It's in an official preview that's been released into the public sector (the entirety of the preview is about it, in fact), so I figured it was past the point of spoilers and thus OK to mention.  I'll just have to be more careful in the future.  Thanks for the responses!

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  • Hey. I get I accidentally did something I wasn't allowed to do but this whole thing is being blown way out of proportion. There really was no need for me to get perma banned in the first place. I don't check the wiki outside of making edits and looking at past seasons voting histories. I had no clue that setting up a template for next season would be ban worthy especially since it was only on my profile for editing purposes. I do apologize for the spoiler policy being broken, that's my bad but the ban is honestly absurd especially since it was a first time thing and it was not meant with malicious intent whatsoever. I never saw any posts about it like IAmNothing posted because honestly I had no clue that was even a part of FANDOM.



    It's just absurd that someone that was contributing for the wiki gets perma banned with no warning or anything?

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    • "Is this an apology?" - Eliza

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    • It's funny that despite the spoiler policy being plastered in every corner of the wiki, you STILL DARED to post spoilers. And even if you did read the policy like you claimed, did you bother to ask if what you're about to do is illegal? Please, you're humiliating yourself.

      Don't play like you're the victim here.

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  • Hello! I'm not sure if you're the right person to talk about this to so if you know someone that knows the answer to what I'm gonna ask can you redirect me to them? Thanks!

    Anyway, my question is about how you get the images for castaways on multiple seasons into the infobox (ex. aubry being on multiple seasons and you can click through each of her cast photos on the infobox). I was wondering because I've been trying this out for my wiki and though we can get multiple images to show, there are some errors that aren't experienced on this wiki (including the page teleporting to the middle when you click another tab, and things like 250px|| showing up on the page (https://gymnasticscollege.fandom.com/wiki/Main:Maggie_Nichols shows what I listed)). 

    Thanks for the help in advance!

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  • Hey Sesefied ! My name is HighJewElfKing, and I'm the Fandom Wiki Manager for Survivor Wiki. My job is to help the community and be a liaison to full-time Fandom staff. If you ever got a question or issue relating to the wiki, editing, etc., please contact me on my message wall and I'll do my best to help you out! :)

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  • You deleted my edit on Melissa McNulty saying she would be on the Moto tribe. It might be unnecessary, but at the top of the page it says more integration required. Just wanted to know why, since you didn't give any reasoning.

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  • Hey, I found something insanely minor but in the notes section all the lines are centered. I wouldn’t know how to fix that, so just wanted to reach out to an admin.

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  • You deleted the edit I made on Aubry's page. It slightly pisses me off, considering that the time I spent on that edit was wasted.

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    • Did you even read the reasoning? A bit of common sense is expected here.

      And furthermore, that kind of confrontational attitude is unacceptable. Try to throw your weight around and you will regret it.

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  • Do you think it would be possible to list Tangled Up in Blue as a combination of two challenges, seeing as that was the precedent set for You Call, We'll Haul?

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    • I believe that we shouldn't simplify them then, not at this stage at least :v

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    • Alright.

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