Talk:Fulcrum Alliance/@comment-305469-20121206134507/@comment-2142533-20121206145137

To me, Skupin and Lisa have signs they they are truly aligned, even if he was an "enemy" of the Tandang alliance. During the time that Penner got the Immunity, the main enemies of Tandang during that time are Skupin, and maybe Pete just chose Jeff instead so save Tandang. However, I during the time that Artis would be voted out, I have a feeling that maybe Lisa and Skupin may plan to split their votes, keeping Lisa's alliance with Artis in Tandang while Skupin would decide whether to go with Tandang or Kalabaw+Matsing.

I put them as different from Kalabaw, because they actually aligned with the other 3 major alliances without really having a real alliance with them. They voted against Kalabaw (Penner), then Kalabaw (Jeff), then probably split their votes and decided to go against Tandang (Artis, Pete), then Kalabaw (Penner, Carter) and currently stays with Matsing. If Malcolm didn't win the IC, I would probably assume that they would go against Matsing and probably keep Abi/Carter as their 3rd (affiliate) to remove the remaining Matsing and the other free-agent.

My point is that, they is only a solid alliance between Lisa & Skupin (same as Penner & Carter and Denise & Malcolm) and the Kalabaw Alliance is really made up of  3 sub-alliances banding together to eliminate 1 sub-alliance.