Thread:Sinjoh/@comment-5002930-20190424124450/@comment-5002930-20190425201531

Sorry, but I disagree with you on multiple counts:

I. I was in fact planning on asking the other admins whether the page should be split between "The Obstacle Course" and "Out on a Limb" because of the two different challenges seemingly consolidated into one page despite clear distinctions between them.

The Obstacle Course is, as the name implies, an obstacle course consisting of a series of obstacles with varying objectives to be met by either a tribe, team, or individual, and which played on a linear course with the first to complete the entire course winning.

Out on a Limb is traditionally a ropes course with a center island and various limbs (hence the name) from which castaways must collect items (since, bags of puzzle pieces), then bring them back to the center (and, since Cook Islands, solve a puzzle) to win.

Under this proposed distinction, the challenges would be split as follows:

The Obstacle Course:

Borneo final 11 IC (won by Tagi)

The Australian Outback final 8 RC (won by Colby & Jerri)

Africa final 8 RC (won by Brandon & Frank)

Thailand final 8 RC (won by Brian)

Pearl Islands final 8 RC (won by Burton & Lillian)

All-Stars final 8 RC (won by Alicia, Amber, Rob M., & Shii Ann) & IC (won by Rob M.)

One World final 5 RC (won by Kim)

San Juan del Sur final 6 RC (won by Jon, Keith, & Missy)

Millennials vs. Gen X final 6 RC/IC (won by David)

Game Changers final 18 RC/IC (won by Nuku and Tavua)

Edge of Extinction re-entry duel (won by Rick)

Out on a Limb:

Borneo final 8 RC (won by Colleen)

The Amazon final 5 IC (won by Matthew)

Cook Islands final 5 IC (won by Ozzy)

Tocantins final 4 IC (won by J.T.)

South Pacific final IC (won by Sophie)

Blood vs. Water final IC (won by Tyson)

San Juan del Sur final IC (won by Jaclyn)

Cambodia final 5 IC (won by Kelley)

II. The issue here is not the combining of challenges. We have, as you mentioned, recognized several past challenges before that have taken elements from multiple challenges. In fact, this was just discussed with Hydraffe last season: https://survivor.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:164345

The issue here is that two separate challenges ("Jail Break" and "House of the Holey") were used as mere components of an even larger challenge that also happens to be a separately-recognized challenge ("The Obstacle Course") (going under the definition I proposed in the previous section). Therefore, the obstacle course was not just the net crawl, but the totality of the challenge, including the aspects of "Jail Break" and "House of the Holey".

III. Even if you disagree with my proposed definitions above, it would seem like an abuse of discretion to rollback the entire page (including the longer challenge summaries I wrote for past seasons to meet the standards that we have today). The edit was not simply meant to add the re-entry duel to the page, but to update the page as a whole. A more apt remedy would have been to simply remove the Edge of Extinction-related portions from the page, and keep the rest of the edits.

IV. Unless explicitly stated, we cannot simply assume by looking at the press photos what challenge it will be. The re-entry duel was immediately placed under the "Jail Break" page upon release of the press photos for that particular episode, and no one bothered to give it a second thought once the actual episode aired. In fact, you fell victim to this yourself recently when you assumed from the press photos that the final 10 IC this season would be a combined RC/IC based the press photos: https://survivor.fandom.com/wiki/Blood_of_a_Blindside?oldid=514517 As we now know, that was not the case at all, and further underscores the dangers of simply assuming things based off of press photos.

Anyway, those are my initial arguments. To reiterate, I believe that the page should be split between "The Obstacle Course" and "Out on a Limb", with the re-entry duel falling under "The Obstacle Course" because the totality of the challenge (which included "Jail Break" and "House of the Holey" as mere portions of it) amounted to "The Obstacle Course" and not simply either one.