Talk:Survivor: Philippines/@comment-2142533-20121129123708

I really don't know what is the problem in eliminating Denise by Lisa & Skupin, seeing that she is possibly the most level headed, least likely to be bitter Jury member among the Dangrayne tribemates. Also, the Jury would possibly applaud them for it because they know Malcolm is a big threat (he flipped from the Tandang alliance and never returned), so removing one of his "advantages" is possibly positive for the tribe.

They seem to be pushing the loyalty card way too much, and they should've at least made Carter the target instead (he almost won the Immunity Challenge again AND has good Jury/tribemate management by choosing the bags of rice and beans than the baked potato and also sharing the veal at the other tribemates), then they could choose to vote out Abi next (to remain with the F6 plan) then Penner would be the swing vote between the 2 groups, and Penner would obviously choose Lisa & Skupin over Denise & Malcolm.

Lisa & Skupin are in the dominant position to negotiate with the alliance, because they could threaten that if they don't vote out Carter instead, they would be forced to save their closer friend and create a split vote scenario between Denise & Malcolm, and because Abi dislikes Denise she would probably side with Lisa & Skupin than Denise & Malcolm.

Or better yet, they vote off Carter this TC, that means the vote would become 3-2-2, where Penner, Abi and Penner votes against Malcolm, Malcolm & Denise votes against Penner, and Skupin & Lisa votes against Carter and try to explain to Malcolm & Denise that they can't vote off Penner because they are close to Penner more than Carter so they chose to vote off Carter instead. That way, they would say that they didn't want to break Penner's trust with them, at the same time they just can't vote for Denise, and that it is the choice of Abi that removed Denise out of the game.

They could've stayed with Penner while not being the direct cause of Denise's elimination, as Denise's treatment of Abi, may it be true or not, affected her game.