Board Thread:Virtual Tribal Council/@comment-1294345-20160922075848/@comment-6949250-20161209061953

Ifoundalemontree wrote: Degrassifan314 wrote: What has Bret done in the game? I mean he has been with Sunday the whole game and as far as making moves, I don't really see it. How is a goat defined? (People have different definitions so I'm just interested to hear your criteria for a goat). What has Ken done too? Besides from winning two immunity challenges, I guess he was a decent social game but I don't know. Jay, Hannah, and Adam are the only people who I think have a chance to win the game. (Possibly David, but I would be majorly surprised if he makes it to the final 3. Bret is playing the game. Not as aggressively, but he is playing the game, and you could see it at the beginning of this episode, when he approached Adam. Bret is not just sitting idly. The same can be said about Ken, he has done stuff, he has friends on the jury. I am not saying they are great players (they are not), and that the moves have to be smart and good, but bad moves are moves too, so Bret and Ken cannot be considered goats. Sunday, on the other hand, was simply following Bret all the time. A goat is someone who does not do anything. And the best example is the losers of the "Redemption Island" finale. Natalie Tenerelli - who the hell is Natalie Tenerelli?! What did she do? Absolutely nothing. And it was so ridiculous when she was among the candidates for "Second Chance".

And then, there is Phillip. He is definitely the most memorable character from RI, but he is still a goat, because he was not really playing the game, but just concentrating on annoying the hell out of everybody (which may, or may not, have been his strategy).

That it, more or less, what a goat is, and why I don't consider Bret and Ken as goats. Or at least not as goats per se. Half-goats, perhaps... Yeah, you are right about that. Bret and Ken have both done a little bit. I think Ken is playing the game a little more, because I think he has a better social game at this point. (I mean David played his idol on Ken, Jess gave Ken her legacy advantage, nobody, except for Adam briefly, talked about voting him out.) I really hate to make it sound like good game play is synonymous with making big moves, because it isn't (there is also the social aspect and the physical aspect, plus good strategy does not always involve a big move/flip), but that is just what I did haha.