Thread:Master Hydraffe/@comment-2142533-20161125091303/@comment-2142533-20161224153223

You know what, I'll stick to my guns that there are only 4 core alliances at the game, 4 of which started as early as pre-switch. That is IMO those 4 alliances are where as much "trust clustering" they try, the only loyalty they really have is with the people on their original core, and that defecting on them is considered a grave offense of non-sensical flipping (see what happened with Hannah).

Takali Alliance, David's Alliance, Triforce, Freaks & Geeks

I get that David's Alliance was seen as this 5-some after Final 10, but its only in a way that was similar to the Fulcrum-Matsing relationship that happened in Philippines. Why? Because Adam had already proposed reneging from the alliance with his core in the form of Hannah, as early as Final 10.

Adam was set in voting out Zeke at F9 (which could actually be seen as a flipper of the Freaks for not maintaining trust with Hannah & Adam, who still had a "trust cluster" with David's Alliance), but also saving a core member in Hannah at the process by using an idol on her (i.e. I doubt Adam will have played an idol to David). Final 8 however, it was apparent that his only alliances were Hannah and sort of Ken -- he did want David out, but to do that, he needed Hannah's yes.

Adam & Hannah being swing votes ala Fulcrum was an important plot point since F8 in a "will they, or won't they" matter in voting out David (we never saw Ken having any inkling of doing that until he did). And like Fulcrum, they stuck with "Matsing", except that the "Lisa" in this scenario actually was able to freely target the "Malcolm/Denise" (but the "Skupin"/Hannah wanted to keep a threat, which made the jury unhappy).

So I think David's Vinaka Alliance should be abolished, and the stories of Adam & Hannah being "will they, won't they" be put in Freaks & Geeks, who Zeke defected and created his new alliance with (which didn't even work). The dichotomy on the merge should be:

F13 & F12 -- Freaks & Geeks + David's Alliance + Takali Alliance vs. Triforce [Will reneged on F12; became affiliated with Zeke, but not necessarily Freaks & Geeks, hence may be counted as a separate affiliate of those 3 alliances as part of each of those groups]. F11 -- David's Alliance vs. Takali Alliance; Freaks & Geeks fulcrum (Triforce was non-factor this vote) F10 -- Zeke's Alliance vs. Freaks & Geeks + David's Alliance [if it had worked, Zeke's Alliance would've been a new alliance as Will defected from Jay at that point already that it wasn't Triforce]. F9 -- Zeke's Alliance vs. Freaks & Geeks + David's Alliance; Will fulcrum F8 -- Freaks & Geeks + David's Alliance + Takali Alliance vs. "Triforce" [can't even say that as Will already defected]. F7 -- Takali Alliance vs. David or Jay; Freaks & Geeks fulcrum [this is complicated because I think Freaks & Geeks did have a plan to flush the idol and get Jay out, while David's Alliance just wanted whoever is not them or Freaks & Geeks out, but Freaks & Geeks chose to save David] F6 -- Bret + Freaks & Geeks + David's Alliance vs. Triforce [Bret was working with Adam for sure at this point already]. F5 -- David's Alliance vs. Bret, with an underlying Freaks & Geeks vs. David's Alliance blindside; Hannah reneged from Freaks & Geeks' plan and affiliated with David's Alliance on this vote. [We also saw David's willingness to vote out Adam, and we don't know if they won't target Adam if they don't know he has the idol.] F4 -- Freaks & Geeks vs. David; Ken was an affiliate who flipped on David's Alliance.

So yeah, Freaks & Geeks was alive in well with Hannah & Adam, and I the only flip David really consider is Ken's. As David said, he wondered why flipped later, meaning he wasn't considering her as this part of this core "let's go to the end" alliance, and was just using him and Ken as part of a "trust cluster" until they weren't needed. Adam shown that Freaks & Geeks aren't solid with David's Alliance, but he can't do his moves without Hannah, and Hannah just didn't want to break that "trust cluster", and may have brought her demise.