Thread:Sinjoh/@comment-5002930-20190424124450/@comment-5002930-20190427182656

Granting your mentioning of the two key factors in why the challenges are consolidated, the distinction I proposed does make it clearer how we can separate the challenges. To reiterate:

"The Obstacle Course is, as the name implies, an obstacle course consisting of a series of obstacles with varying objectives to be met by either a tribe, team, or individual, and which played on a linear course with the first to complete the entire course winning.

Out on a Limb is traditionally a ropes course with a center island and various limbs (hence the name) from which castaways must collect items (since Cook Islands, bags of puzzle pieces), then bring them back to the center (and, since Cook Islands, solve a puzzle) to win."

In layman's terms, "The Obstacle Course" is a linear path. Castaways have to get from one end of the course to another, successfully traversing the various obstacles along the way. There is no element of choice of which path to take.

On the other hand, "Out on a Limb" is more of, to use RPG terms, an "open world". Castaways can opt which among the 5 to 8 "limbs" to tackle first before coming back to the center island. Here, there is very much an element of choice of the path one can take.

I do believe that "Back in the Saddle" fits the first description, hence it should be included with "The Obstacle Course". Considering your point, re: "House of the Holey", you may be correct in pointing out that "House of the Holey" also has a form of an obstacle course before the defining element in the challenge that makes it distinct. This would also apply to "Back in the Saddle".

However, if I may propose, I believe that elements of "Jail Break" and "House of the Holey" both being present in the challenge serve to offset the weight of each component element, merely reducing them to be parts of "The Obstacle Course" in this case. Thus, the whole is greater than the sum of its parts.

In addition, if we go by your definition, then I would contend that "Balance Beam Maze" in One World should also be considered under "The Maze" since the elevated maze portion in that challenge is similar to the one in "A-Mazing Gabon" in Gabon.

Regarding the press photos, I only mean to propose that we don't add anything that isn't absolutely confirmed until the episode airs. Admittedly, I was able to identify "Yank Your Hank" from the press photos, but decided against adding it until that particular episode aired since it could have turned out to be another challenge. By "absolutely confirmed", I mean that captions or press releases confirm it. I also understand that videos of John Kirhoffer are sometimes released (although I myself can't watch it because it's region blocked ughh), giving previews of the challenge in the upcoming episode. That too would be absolute confirmation.

I mean this so that we don't just assume that this particular challenge is being played, when, come the airing of the episode, it turns out to be a different one, but people don't give the matter a second thought anymore just because an admin, or worse, an overzealous new user, had already lumped it with one challenge. I've seen and had to correct many instances in the past in which this has happened. After all, we don't really lose anything by waiting for the episode to air.

Finally, regarding the updates I made to "The Obstacle Course" page, since you don't seem to dispute anything other than the ones for Edge of Extinction, I'll be adding those particular edits back if you don't mind.